Episode 13: Supernatural? Or, just natural?
Chapter 1: The Shift in Relationship to Uncertainty and Mystery
Episode Summary: Aliceanne and Ryan describe how, as we grow in cognitive complexity, uncertainty transforms from something threatening (requiring control, planning, and hard work) to an ally. Mystery becomes a friend, and life no longer feels like something to "wrestle into submission." The universe reflects back whatever we believe—grind and control, or surrender and passion-led unfolding.
Deeper Dive: This shift often becomes evident around and beyond 4th-person perspective in developmental models. In Terri O’Fallon’s STAGES model, the 4.5 Strategist stage marks a pivotal transition where individuals become deeply interested in systems, frameworks, and self-authorship. Here, rigid planning starts to feel limiting, and a more fluid, strategic responsiveness emerges. Mystery is no longer an enemy but a source of creative potential. Higher stages (5.0 and beyond, into the MetAware tier) deepen this, where perspectives become transpersonal—seeing through constructs altogether—and synchronicities feel like natural guidance from an intelligent, supportive reality.
This isn't about abandoning effort; it's recognizing that forcing outcomes creates resistance, while aligning with inner passion invites effortless support.
Chapter 2: Surrender as the Gateway to Effortless Flow
Episode Summary: Aliceanne shares how exhaustion led her to surrender—not as weakness, but as necessity. Life reflects our beliefs unconditionally, and teachers like Eckhart Tolle point to surrender as allowing deeper intelligence to move through us.
Deeper Dive: Eckhart Tolle, in The Power of Now, teaches that true surrender is yielding to the flow of life by fully accepting the present moment unconditionally. It's not resignation or passivity—it's relinquishing inner resistance to "what is."
Key insights from Tolle:
“Always say ‘yes’ to the present moment... Surrender to what is. Say ‘yes’ to life—and see how life suddenly starts working for you rather than against you.”
Resistance (judgment, negativity) feeds the ego and pain-body; surrender dissolves it, allowing spontaneous, inspired action.
“Accept—then act. Whatever the present moment contains, accept it as if you had chosen it. Always work with it, not against it.”
This mirrors Abraham Hicks' concept of allowing vs. resistance: The universe is a vibrational mirror. Effort often signals resistance (misalignment); joy and ease signal alignment in "the Vortex"—a high-vibrational state where desires manifest effortlessly. Release attachment to "how" or "when," and trust the unconditional support of Source.
Bashar (channeled by Darryl Anka) offers a practical formula:
Identify your highest excitement and act on it to the best of your ability.
Commit fully, without holding back.
Have zero insistence on the outcome.
Stay positive regardless of appearances.
Examine and release limiting beliefs.
When followed precisely, this activates massive synchronicity—life's way of supporting your true path.
Chapter 3: Personal Stories – Normalizing Intuitive and "Supernatural" Experiences
Episode Summary: Aliceanne recounts early astral-like experiences and intuitive "downloads"; Ryan shares synchronicities. They emphasize these aren't rare gifts but natural emergences as we wake up, often dismissed earlier due to lack of framework.
Deeper Dive: These moments—pre-cognitive knowing, felt presences, guided encounters—arise when relevance realization sharpens. Cognitive scientist John Vervaeke explains relevance realization as the brain's dynamic process of filtering infinite possibilities to spotlight what truly matters in any situation. Through practices like mindfulness or contemplation, this machinery refines, leading to insight cascades, flow states, and intuitive "downloads" that feel guided.
In his series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis, Vervaeke argues this combats modern meaninglessness: Rigid control blocks relevance; openness invites participatory knowing where reality "speaks" supportively. Your stories illustrate this—intuition as enhanced relevance realization, not magic.
The Seattle psychic encounter highlights how surrender invites service: You were guided not for personal reading, but to affirm her gifts amid doubt—reflecting unconditional support when we follow excitement without agenda.
Chapter 4: The Power of Stories, Beliefs, and Looking with Love
Episode Summary: Ryan discusses how parental stories shaped his self-view positively; both emphasize seeing the world with love/curiosity shifts everything. Changing feelings internally (not externally) is key.
Deeper Dive: Beliefs act as vibrational templates—life mirrors them. Abraham Hicks stresses reaching for better-feeling thoughts now to align vibrationally. Tolle adds: Resistance to "what is" creates suffering; acceptance transmutes it.
Vervaeke ties this to perennial problems: Our relevance machinery can drive self-deception if unexamined. Cultivating wisdom—an ecology of practices—enhances it, fostering meaning.
Chapter 5: Practical Invitation – Journaling, Sharing, and Community
Episode Summary: Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own experiences, journal, share with trusted friends, and join the community.
Deeper Dive: This aligns with all teachings: Reflection releases resistance (Hicks/Tolle), sharpens relevance (Vervaeke), follows excitement (Bashar), and supports developmental growth (O’Fallon). Start small—notice where you're controlling vs. allowing—and watch synchronicity unfold.
These ideas converge: Loosen the grip, align with joy/mystery/presence, and life meets you with profound support. If this resonates, explore the resources below or share your story in our Circle.
Further Resources
Eckhart Tolle: The Power of Now
Abraham Hicks: abraham-hicks.com
John Vervaeke: Awakening from the Meaning Crisis (YouTube)
Bashar: bashar.org
Terri O’Fallon’s STAGES: stagesinternational.com
The Strategist: A Deep Dive
The Strategist stage embodies a sophisticated integration of post-conventional awareness, where the fluidity of the Pluralist evolves into a principled, systems-oriented capacity for synthesis and strategic action. Building on the fourth-person perspective, individuals here internalize a metasystematic view, enabling them to compare, coordinate, and prioritize among multiple interlocking systems—be they personal, organizational, cultural, or historical. This marks a departure from the Pluralist's reluctance to hierarchize contexts, allowing Strategists to discern which perspectives or approaches are more adaptive in addressing complexity. Identity is experienced as embedded within broader narratives, including one's lifetime trajectory and the interplay of cultural influences, fostering a sense of the self as a dynamic participant in an evolving whole. This brings a balanced tolerance for ambiguity, where paradoxes are not just endured but leveraged as opportunities for growth, though shadows like over-intellectualization can emerge if emotional or somatic dimensions are sidelined.
Cognition
Cognitively, Strategists operate with a general systems lens that appreciates the nested and interdependent nature of realities, often drawing from evolutionary frameworks to anticipate how actions ripple across time horizons spanning years or decades. They can hold "both/and" alongside "either/or" logic, using differentiated psychological vocabulary to articulate concepts like authenticity, transformation, and higher principles. Insights from Susanne Cook-Greuter's research highlight this as the Autonomous stage, where individuals move beyond relativism to approximate truth through flexible, contextually adequate judgments—not all positions are equal, and higher flexibility equates to greater efficacy in navigating multifaceted challenges. In Terri O'Fallon's STAGES model, this 4.5 level emphasizes interpenetration, where disparate systems (e.g., family dynamics intersecting with organizational structures) are seen as constructible rather than merely contextual, enabling proactive redesign. This cognitive maturity supports visionary scenario-building, but can lead to analysis paralysis if the sheer interconnectivity stalls decisive movement.
Relationships
Relationally, Strategists engage in mutually transformative interactions, prioritizing reciprocal influence that evolves all parties involved. They excel at conflict resolution by experimenting with vulnerable forms of power, blending advocacy with inquiry to foster shared visions across diverse perspectives. Cook-Greuter notes their commitment to improving the lot of all stakeholders, reflecting a broad embrace of like-principled others while appreciating varied human ways of being. In O'Fallon's framework, this interpenetrative stance allows them to stand in others' contextual shoes, constructing relationships that honor developmental differences without condescension. Global Leadership Associates' Transforming action-logic aligns here, describing leaders who thrive in complex relational weaves, enjoying varied roles while recognizing principles and judgments as key to sustainable bonds. Shadows include a potential god-complex, where vast insight breeds arrogance, or overusing subtle facilitation that leaves others adrift without clear direction.
Internal Experience
Internally, the self is multifaceted and generative, with a high value on individuality, self-fulfillment, and integrating shadow elements—those disowned traits or paradoxes that once caused dissonance. Strategists often grapple with life-purpose questions, viewing dilemmas as opportunities for heroic self-actualization, though this can veer into tragic overidentification if unchecked. Cook-Greuter's descriptions emphasize a historical perspective on the self, embedded in cultural contexts, leading to insightful self-criticism and a drive for authenticity. O'Fallon adds that this stage backgrounds the individual ego in favor of collective depth, yet prioritizes behaviors that invite positive reception across levels, sometimes resulting in a "sanitized" self-presentation. Inner conflicts may arise around true calling or sustainability, but these are approached with humility, acknowledging mortality and the partiality of meaning-making. Positive expressions include well-balanced tolerance and commitment to growth, while defenses might involve spiritual bypassing, intellectualizing away raw emotions.
Professional life
Professionally, Strategists—termed Transforming in GLA's model or Autonomous in Cook-Greuter's—lead through systemic interventions that align evolutionary management with human-centered priorities, often in self-managing or Teal organizations as described in Frederic Laloux's Reinventing Organizations. They set long-term visions (5-20 years), blending hierarchy with autonomy to create deliberately developmental cultures, as in Kegan and Lahey's An Everyone Culture. O'Fallon's STAGES portrays them as skilled facilitators who diagnose nested systems, decentralizing or centralizing as needed, while fostering continuous learning. Strengths include exchanging transformational feedback, constructing inclusive behaviors, and scaling impact across personal, organizational, and societal realms. Challenges encompass ego-inflation neglecting mundane tasks, overconfidence in principled actions, or sanitizing communication to bridge levels, potentially diluting authenticity. Developmentally, they convert pattern-recognition into integrated strategies, explore Action Inquiry (Torbert) for real-time transformations, and coach others toward similar capacities, emphasizing resources like shared vision exercises to enhance effectiveness.
Pressures that cause Strategists to shift into the next stage
The shift from Strategist to the MetAware tier, often called Construct Aware or Alchemist, is a profound evolution marked by pressures that reveal the limits of even meta-systematic thinking. A growing curiosity about the constructed nature of attention itself arises, questioning how to sustain a receptive presence beyond conceptual frameworks. Overwhelm from unresolved paradoxes and incongruities intensifies, as sharper conscience-driven suffering—tied to justice, relationships, or existential predicaments—demands integration without escape. Isolation at this developmental edge fosters a need for deeper spiritual or communal inquiry, not as dogma but as mutual exploration. Recognition of absurdity in polarized views (e.g., recreating "us vs. them" dynamics) prompts a desire to disturb fixed paradigms. Readiness to transcend formal roles emerges, embracing responsibility for the whole through uniquely timed, compassionate actions. This threshold, as O'Fallon describes, involves attuning to pre- and post-verbal experiences, alchemizing elements in everyday encounters without overcoming them.
Healing & Integrating 4th Person Perspective
Pluralist shadows
Shadows in the Pluralist stage (often called Green or Redefining in various models) emerge from the tension between newfound relational fluidity and the lack of mature tools to prioritize or integrate complexity. This stage's emphasis on context, relativity, and deconstruction can amplify unowned aspects of the self, leading to distortions that hinder personal and collective growth. Common shadows include extreme relativism (where "everything is equal" devolves into nihilism or apathy), performative inclusivity (e.g., cancel culture or echo chambers that exclude dissenting views), intellectual elitism (dismissing earlier stages as "primitive" or oppressive), process paralysis (endless inquiry without action), and cynical allergy to structure (rejecting hierarchy as inherently bad, projecting one's own unmet needs for stability onto systems). These arise because the Pluralist's expanded fourth-person perspective uncovers systemic injustices and personal projections, but without reclamation, they manifest as reactivity—often a "shadow crash" where higher awareness regresses into ethnocentric tribalism under stress.
Susanne Cook-Greuter's EDT (as summarized on Sloww.co and her site) describes Pluralist shadows as overprivileging diversity to neglect common humanity, leading to unpredictable non-conformism and endless discussions; individuals may live at society's fringe, admired for spontaneity but distrusted for unreliability. Terri O'Fallon's STAGES model (from the "Shadow into Soul" manual) frames shadows developmentally: at 4.0, destabilization from relentless questioning creates ungroundedness, with risks like addiction or ego-driven behaviors hijacking progress. O'Fallon notes shadow levels match developmental tiers, so Pluralist shadows involve subtle projections (e.g., hubris in seeing contexts others miss), requiring illumination to reveal "highest potentials."
Ken Wilber's works deeply address these, terming unhealthy Green "Boomeritis"—a narcissistic flatland where relativism flattens hierarchies, fostering irony, meaninglessness, and self-centered sensitivity. In The Religion of Tomorrow (pp. 399-400 excerpted in queries, expanded via web summaries), Wilber warns of postmodern relativism causing a "cultural disaster," neglecting spiritual heights by equating all views, leading to fragmented identities and bypassing (intellectualizing away emotions). He links this to the "mean green meme," where inclusivity turns exclusionary. In Finding Radical Wholeness (Chapter 8: "The Postmodern-Pluralistic (or Green) Stage"), Wilber details shadows like freedom vs. equality conflicts, progressive overreach (e.g., deplatforming as shadowed dignity-protection), and virtues turning vices (sensitivity into hypersensitivity). He emphasizes "Cleaning Up" via shadow therapy to integrate these, preventing regression.
Online resources elaborate: Integral Life (integrallife.com) articles like "What Are the Stages of Development?" highlight Green shadows as extreme relativism breeding narcissism and irony, creating "lost" generations. Fication.se's "Teal Shadows" (cross-applicable to Green transitions) notes detachment and over-complexity, while Reddit/Actualized.org discussions on Boomeritis describe stuckness in Green as egoic resistance to integral stages. Stagesinternational.com's shadow resources (e.g., "Shadow into Soul" course) stress somatic hijacks at 4.0, like interpersonal conflicts from unintegrated earlier shadows.
To integrate Pluralist shadows: (1) Use Wilber's 3-2-1 process (from Finding Radical Wholeness, Ch. 10) daily—objectify the shadow (3rd-person description), dialogue with it (2nd-person empathy), and re-own it (1st-person integration)—to transform cynicism into curiosity. (2) O'Fallon's somatic practices: Ground in body awareness (breath/feet) to counter ungroundedness, journaling projections onto "oppressive" systems. (3) Cook-Greuter's reflection: Prioritize via discernment exercises, evaluating arguments' quality to move beyond nihilism. (4) Community-based inquiry: Join diverse groups for facilitated dialogues (e.g., Integral Life practices) to practice action-oriented inclusivity. (5) Therapy: Somatic Experiencing or shadow-focused coaching to heal splits, fostering reconstruction—e.g., rebuilding healthy structures post-deconstruction.
Strategist shadows
At the Strategist stage (Teal/Turquoise or Transforming), shadows arise from the power of metasystematic integration, where vast perspective amplifies unintegrated elements, often manifesting as subtle distortions of agency and relationality. Key shadows include analysis paralysis (overwhelmed by complexity, stalling action), god-complex/arrogance (believing one's insight superiors others), spiritual bypassing (intellectualizing paradoxes over somatic/emotional messiness), ego-inflation (heroic self-view neglecting mundane realities), overconfidence in principles (rigid judgments despite flexibility), and detachment (emotional aloofness in interpenetrative relationships). These stem from the stage's evolutionary scope—holding nested systems and shadows from all prior levels—creating a "pressure cooker" where unowned traits (e.g., Achiever control or Pluralist relativity) regress under load, leading to shadow crashes into earlier ethnocentric modes.
Cook-Greuter's EDT (Sloww.co summaries) views Autonomous/Strategist shadows as over-reliance on metasystematic coordination, risking elitism or bypassing when comparing systems; integration demands humility amid existential predicaments. O'Fallon's STAGES (manual pp. 36-37) warns of hubris at 4.5, with feedback seen as projections/shadow; narcissism risks escalate toward 5.0, so confront early via witnessing practices to avoid ego-driven hijacks.
Wilber's The Religion of Tomorrow (web expansions) critiques Teal shadows as "mean teal," where integral views become elitist, dismissing lower stages; he advocates incorporating psychology to avert bypassing, using Integral Approach to include shadows in spiritual practice. In Finding Radical Wholeness (Ch. 9: "The Inclusive-Integral (or Turquoise) Stage"), Wilber notes Turquoise's holistic unity can shadow into dualism (e.g., over-emphasizing new paradigms without integrating old), with Cleaning Up essential to prevent arrogance; shadow therapy re-owns disavowed parts for true wholeness.
Online: Integral Life's "Exploring Teal and Turquoise Psychotherapy" stresses therapy at Teal for wholeness, addressing shadows like optimal living gaps. Fication.se's "Teal Shadows" details intellectual arrogance, complexity overload, and bypassing, suggesting mindfulness to ground. Spiral Dynamics sites (spiraldynamicsintegral.nl) describe Turquoise shadows as imbalance in being/becoming, risking inaction; deal via dynamic balance. YouTube/Integral channels (e.g., "Introduction to Spiral Dynamics Turquoise") note over-holism leading to detachment.
Integration suggestions: (1) Wilber's 3-2-1 extended with Action Inquiry (Torbert, from GLA manual)—inquire into paradoxes collaboratively to counter paralysis. (2) O'Fallon's witnessing: Daily meditation on hubris/projections, somatic scans for emotional detachment. (3) GLA's steps (manual pp. 30-31): Convert patterns to action, live in paradoxes via journaling feedback loops. (4) Humility practices: Mentor earlier stages without superiority (Integral Life). (5) Coaching/Therapy: Deliberately developmental (Kegan/Lahey) to integrate mundane with visionary, preventing ego-inflation.
State vs. Stage
Ego development refers to the progressive unfolding of an individual's sense of self, identity, and worldview. Ken Wilber synthesizes this with spiritual and psychological traditions, viewing the ego not as an enemy to be transcended (as in some mystical paths) but as a vehicle that evolves through predictable patterns.
Stages (Structures of Consciousness): These are stable, sequential, and hierarchical levels of development that represent how an individual interprets reality. Stages are like "rungs on a ladder" or "floors in a building"—once you reach a new one, it becomes your baseline operating system. They unfold over time through life experiences, education, and crises, and they are relatively permanent unless further growth occurs. Wilber draws from models like Jean Piaget's cognitive stages, Lawrence Kohlberg's moral stages, and Loevinger's ego development stages, adapting them into a "spectrum of consciousness."
In Finding Radical Wholeness, Wilber simplifies stages into a 4- to 6-level model for clarity (though his full spectrum has up to 10+ levels):
Early/Egocentric Stages (1st PP): Self-focused, impulsive, power-driven.
Mythic/Ethnocentric Stage (2nd PP): Rule-bound, conformist, group-identified (e.g., traditional religious or nationalistic views).
Modern/Worldcentric Stages (3rd & 4th PP).
Integral/Kosmocentric Stages (5th+ PP): Holistic, systems-thinking, embracing paradox and multiple perspectives.
Stages are "structures" because they shape how you perceive the world—like tinted glasses you can't easily remove. Growth through stages is slow and involves "transcend and include": each new stage builds on (includes) the previous one while surpassing (transcending) its limitations. For example, moving from egocentric (me-first) to worldcentric (global empathy) requires integrating personal needs with collective ones. Research from Cook-Greuter (as cited in Integral Life articles) shows only about 5-10% of adults reach integral stages, making them rare but transformative.
States (Altered or Temporary Consciousness): These are transient experiences of consciousness that can occur at any time, regardless of your current stage. States are like "weather patterns" in the mind—fleeting, inducible through practices like meditation, psychedelics, near-death experiences, or even intense emotions. Wilber identifies major natural states (waking, dreaming, deep sleep) and higher "altered" states (subtle, causal, nondual—often associated with spiritual awakening or "Waking Up").
In The Religion of Tomorrow, Wilber notes that states provide "direct access to higher realities" but are interpreted through your current stage. For instance, a peak experience of unity (a nondual state) might feel like "oneness with nature" at a mythic stage but "systemic interconnectedness" at an integral stage. States are not hierarchical in the same way stages are; you can "peak" into advanced states early in life but return to your baseline stage afterward.
The key difference: Stages are developmental milestones (horizontal growth over time), while states are vertical glimpses (temporary ascents to higher awareness). As Wilber explains in Finding Radical Wholeness (Chapter 4: "Spiritual Intelligence versus Spiritual Experience"), confusing the two leads to pitfalls—like assuming a one-time mystical state means you've permanently evolved your ego.
The Wilber-Combs Lattice: Where stages and stages intersect
Wilber's innovation is the Wilber-Combs Lattice (named after Wilber and psychologist Allan Combs), which maps how states and stages interact. This grid visualizes that any state can be experienced at any stage, but the interpretation filters through your developmental lens. It's a 2D matrix: vertical axis = states (from gross/waking to nondual); horizontal axis = stages (from egocentric to kosmocentric).
How It Works: At lower stages, higher states feel magical or mythical (e.g., a nondual unity state might be seen as "God's personal intervention"). At higher stages, the same state is integrated rationally or systemically (e.g., as "quantum interconnectedness" or "evolutionary wholeness"). This explains why shamans (magic stage) and scientists (rational stage) can both have profound mystical experiences but describe them differently.
From Finding Radical Wholeness (Chapter 5: "The Wilber-Combs Lattice"):
"The Magical Nature Mysticism of Shamanism... Summary: You can have a peak experience of virtually any major state of consciousness—gross, subtle, causal, Witness, or nondual—at virtually any major stage of development—magic, mythic, rational, pluralistic, or integral. But the way you experience and interpret that state will depend in large measure upon the stage of development you are at."
Online resources amplify this: An Integral Life article ("States and Stages") notes that states offer "previews" of higher development. For example, a child at an egocentric stage might have a temporary state of worldcentric empathy during a family crisis, but it fades without stage growth. Conversely, stable stage growth allows states to become more frequent and integrated (e.g., meditation at an integral stage leads to persistent nondual awareness).
Empirical support comes from psychedelics research (e.g., Roland Griffiths' studies at Johns Hopkins, cited in Integral World essays): Psilocybin induces nondual states, but without stage development, participants revert to baseline ego structures. This underscores Wilber's point: States are accessible doorways, but stages provide the foundation.
Applying this to the 4th PP
The 4th-person perspective in Wilber's Integral Theory extends beyond the basic pronouns/perspectives: 1st-person (I/subjective), 2nd-person (you/we/intersubjective), 3rd-person (it/its/objective). It represents a meta-perspective—a "view of views" that integrates and critiques lower ones. As described in Integral Life's community forums and Wilber's writings (e.g., Integral Spirituality, referenced online), the 4th-person perspective emerges at integral stages (turquoise or higher). It's the ability to hold multiple viewpoints simultaneously: "I can see my 1st-person feelings, your 2nd-person context, and the 3rd-person systems all at once, and reflect on how they interact."
As a Stage: This is a stable structure where you habitually operate from a holistic, paradoxical viewpoint. Ego development here transcends individualism (e.g., Kegan's "Self-Transforming Mind" or Cook-Greuter's "Unitive" stage). You don't just empathize (3rd-person); you meta-empathize, seeing how perspectives co-arise. In Finding Radical Wholeness (Chapter 9: "The Inclusive-Integral (or Turquoise) Stage"), Wilber links this to "One Taste" nonduality, where the self is fluid and kosmocentric.
As a State: Crucially, you can experience 4th-person awareness temporarily before it's your stable stage. This is a peak state—a fleeting "aha!" where you glimpse integral wholeness. For example:
During meditation or a psychedelic trip, someone at a rational (orange) stage might suddenly see their ego as part of a larger evolutionary system (4th-person insight), but interpret it rationally upon return ("That was just brain chemistry").
In therapy or a deep conversation, an ethnocentric (amber) person might have a state of meta-empathy, understanding conflicting cultural views without judgment, but snap back to dogmatic thinking.
Wilber emphasizes this in The Religion of Tomorrow (as glimpsed in your PDF excerpt): Higher truths (like integral perspectives) are obscured by cultural stages, but states allow "peak experiences" that bypass them temporarily. Online, Integral Life's "The Fourth-Person Perspective" (though the direct link was insufficient, related articles describe it as a "state-stage hybrid" for growth). An Integral World essay ("Reply to Edwards" by Wilber) notes: "Temporary states can preview higher stages, motivating transformation... but without integration, they remain fleeting."
Examples in Ego Development:
Peak Experience Preview: A business leader at orange (achievement-focused) has a nondual state during a retreat, experiencing 4th-person unity (self as part of global systems). This inspires stage growth toward turquoise, where they lead with holistic ethics.
Psychedelic or Crisis-Induced: Studies (e.g., Imperial College London's psilocybin trials, cited in CAC meditations) show ego-dissolution states mimicking integral perspectives, but participants need therapy to stabilize them as stages.
Spiritual Bypass Warning: Wilber cautions (in both books) against mistaking states for stages—e.g., a "spiritual high" of 4th-person insight without ego work leads to inflation or regression.